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TiC · May 19, 2005, 07:14 AM // 07:14

I have an interesting scenario for you guys.

Earlier tonight I made it to the HoH for the second time, with a fairly skilled, but rather immature guild (lots of inuendo and trash talking) making up the bulk of the team. We managed to win the hall the first time, and I was fortunate enough to get the sigil drop.

Now, after the game, some of the people from this guild insisted that we all roll to see who gets the sigil - which in itself baffled me, because the sigil dropping is random to begin with. This is where the shadyness began.

The rules of this roll were that each individual player would roll to 100, and the one closest to that would get the sigil. The problem was, at least in my eyes, that 6 out of the 8 people on the team were on the same guild, and each had their own shot at the sigil. This clearly stacked the odds against me and the other guy, and it just seems like an all-around scam. I should emphaize that there was no mention of this procedure prior to Hall of Heroes, or prior to the game at all really. It just kinda came up out of nowhere, and had I known prior, I would have never played with these guys.

After a long winded debate (in which I heard some of the most ridiculus excuses like, the game's randomization really isn't random or something), I decided that I would hold onto the sigil and ask around if this was common practice (which, from previous experience and those who I've already talked to, say it isn't).

The only reason I'm going out of my way to find out is because I firmly believe in fair play, and in the off chance this actually is common, then I will go ahead and do the right thing, despite the fact that I was arguing with a bunch of 9 year olds.

I would appreciate any input that you guys have, especially if you've previously won the sigil in the HoH.

Than · May 19, 2005, 07:30 AM // 07:30

I guess you could call it a scam. You and the other guy each had one chance to use it, the 6 other guildies had 6 chances to use it.

Rushing Wind · May 19, 2005, 07:35 AM // 07:35

I haven't had the opportunity to win the sigil in the HoH... I would love that opportunity though. My advice... (take it for what its worth)

If something like that happens then just tell them you're off to find another group to play with. IMO, it definitely was a scam since the drops are as random as any other drop in the game. If there were 6 of them in one guild out of 8 players then they shouldn't have a problem going back in and running the gammit again in order to get their own drop.

Keep the sigil and do what you will with it. Tell the 9 year olds you played with that they've got plenty of opportunities to get the drop too... they just gotta go through again.

Don't be a pushover when it comes to things that are that important. Good for you for what you did. Now, if you have to get in touch with them, just let them know its yours and thats final. What are they gonna do? Come after you personally?

TiC · May 19, 2005, 07:40 AM // 07:40

Well, I really don't care what they do. I mean they were making some idle threats about blacklisting or whatever, but who cares, I don't even have a real guild yet

I play a lot of tombs PvP with good pick-up groups and this is the first real problem I've had, so I wanted to make absolutely sure that I wasn't in the wrong here, because I really do believe in fair play.

Even though it seems pretty obvious, you just never know.

Cirolle · May 19, 2005, 08:01 AM // 08:01

My suggestion would be to offer them the sigil... for a fair price

You won it in the first place, why would you have to random for it again?

dansamy · May 19, 2005, 08:16 AM // 08:16

It's not technically a scam, but it is certainly not sportsmanlike. The computer already "rolled" to see who the drop belongs to.

Omega_2005 · May 19, 2005, 09:08 AM // 09:08

Is the hall of heroes only accessible when all of the main story missions are complete? (if there is a thread, please post the link)

Pevil Lihatuh · May 19, 2005, 10:27 AM // 10:27

I guess it coulda been a scam... the casino scam that has been mentioned could well have been employed against you. Personally like everyone else has said, it was your drop fair and square and, just like that gold sword you might find out in PvE, its entirely up to you to sell, salvage or just collect

Ramus · May 19, 2005, 02:04 PM // 14:04

Eh, its not really a scam. Its just that they want a shot at the sigil. It just depends on how you view it, if you think its yours, take it, if you think they deserve a chance at it (since they helped get it) then let them roll. Its more of a moral issue then anything else. There may have been 6 of them, but that also means they did that more more of the work for you to get it. Just my opinion.

Rizzen Khalazar · May 19, 2005, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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Originally Posted by dansamy

It's not technically a scam, but it is certainly not sportsmanlike. The computer already "rolled" to see who the drop belongs to.

That is correct. The game already rolled to see who will get the sigil. You have every right to hold onto it.

xakia · May 19, 2005, 02:26 PM // 14:26

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Originally Posted by TiC

I have an interesting scenario for you guys.

Earlier tonight I made it to the HoH for the second time, with a fairly skilled, but rather immature guild (lots of inuendo and trash talking) making up the bulk of the team. We managed to win the hall the first time, and I was fortunate enough to get the sigil drop.

Now, after the game, some of the people from this guild insisted that we all roll to see who gets the sigil - which in itself baffled me, because the sigil dropping is random to begin with. This is where the shadyness began.

The rules of this roll were that each individual player would roll to 100, and the one closest to that would get the sigil. The problem was, at least in my eyes, that 6 out of the 8 people on the team were on the same guild, and each had their own shot at the sigil. This clearly stacked the odds against me and the other guy, and it just seems like an all-around scam. I should emphaize that there was no mention of this procedure prior to Hall of Heroes, or prior to the game at all really. It just kinda came up out of nowhere, and had I known prior, I would have never played with these guys.

After a long winded debate (in which I heard some of the most ridiculus excuses like, the game's randomization really isn't random or something), I decided that I would hold onto the sigil and ask around if this was common practice (which, from previous experience and those who I've already talked to, say it isn't).

The only reason I'm going out of my way to find out is because I firmly believe in fair play, and in the off chance this actually is common, then I will go ahead and do the right thing, despite the fact that I was arguing with a bunch of 9 year olds.

I would appreciate any input that you guys have, especially if you've previously won the sigil in the HoH.

You should have filled your ignore list with these people. Thats rediculous.

gwden · May 19, 2005, 02:32 PM // 14:32

In some games when you're in groups, the loot is only allowed to be picked up by a certain person, usually the leader. So in those cases, the members of the group actually roll on items after the session. In this case, however, the roll has already made, so rolling again is unnecessary. Those players knew it and tried to take advantage of your ignorance. Yes, it's a scam.

Mountain Man · May 19, 2005, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by TiC

After a long winded debate...

You mean you didn't laugh in their faces right off the bat? That's what I would have done.

Lasher Dragon · May 19, 2005, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by Mountain Man

You mean you didn't laugh in their faces right off the bat? That's what I would have done.

Ditto.

Soul Monarch · May 19, 2005, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by TiC

Now, after the game, some of the people from this guild insisted that we all roll to see who gets the sigil...

That's not called a "scam." That's called "whiny little guild that won't quit complaining."

Simply by having six people in the party, they had a 75% chance of winning that Sigil. You happened to get lucky and get it instead. That is completely fair.

Rolling for it afterwards is a lot like deciding that you should re-roll your attack in a game of Risk because you didn't think that 3 armies should be able to beat your 20 armies. Or, for you slightly nerdier folks, it's like re-rolling because you didn't beat a DC 28 trap and really don't want to get caught fried by lightning.

I'd say tell 'em to suck it down, and accept the fact that you won it fair and square.

Jana · May 19, 2005, 03:03 PM // 15:03

It's yours. Random roll was already done. Rolling again would be stupid, though if they are not your guild, I would roll anyway just to get their hopes up (the bums) and if I won I would laugh even harder, and if I lost... well I could always disconnect and come back saying that I crashed and now I do not have it any more, time to file a ticket with support.

Don't even bother worrying about it. They are just sore losers. EVERYTHING that drops in this game in some way is random and already done by the system. PERIOD.

Jana

egads · May 19, 2005, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by TiC

The only reason I'm going out of my way to find out is because I firmly believe in fair play, and in the off chance this actually is common, then I will go ahead and do the right thing, despite the fact that I was arguing with a bunch of 9 year olds.

As most people have already said, you did the right thing by hanging on to the sigil. The game already rolled, you got lucky.

jdwoody · May 19, 2005, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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After a long winded debate (in which I heard some of the most ridiculus excuses like, the game's randomization really isn't random or something)

Logically if "the game's randomization really isn't random" then the game chose you because of your expert play so you deserved the sigil...

Did this just happen last night? A week ago someone was complaining from the other side of the fence (they wanted a roll) and they were overwhelmingly told that they were in the wrong.

If the sigil always went to the leader or if it just sat there for the first person to grab it I could see rolling for it, but I seriously doubt if one of their members got the sigil there would be any discussion about rolling...

Rothgar · May 19, 2005, 03:38 PM // 15:38

The ONLY way it would have been fair is if you all had previously agreed to dice it in the event your group got it. I know some people don't like how GW assigns drops for rares so they do it this way.

However, if there was no agreement before hand to handle it with dicing, then its yours fair and square.

JohnCoke · May 19, 2005, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by Ramus

Eh, its not really a scam. Its just that they want a shot at the sigil. It just depends on how you view it, if you think its yours, take it, if you think they deserve a chance at it (since they helped get it) then let them roll. Its more of a moral issue then anything else. There may have been 6 of them, but that also means they did that more more of the work for you to get it. Just my opinion.

Agreed. It's a moral issue..

If the drops aren't random, what makes them think that the dice roll will be?

But quite frankly from where I stand, they're are 6 of them and it was obvious what they're aiming for. I'd let them have it, they did the work made the build but just quite didn't have enough people to fill it up. So they hope and pray that 6 out of 8 is good enough chances... it wasn't. Can't blame them for trying, also for sigils selling for $40+ on ebay... the other people calling them a whiny guild and laugh in their face... you disgust me. I already have a guild hall, and you disgust me.

Your the reason why sigils are what they are instead of what the devs intended. Hope they get it fixed soon.